Migraine differences

Not sleeping much lately so lots of time to think and was wondering if there is a difference between migraines that are caused by an injury of some sort (car accident etc...) and migraines that are more organic in nature. Is there a difference in symptoms, triggers, treatments that work? Just curious..............

I dont know Leslie because I have no idea what causes mine. They are all the same. No symptoms, just pain and never less than an 8. Maybe someone else has some idea.

Pen - you have mentioned that your pain became significant after a wisdom tooth was extracted which is one of the things that got me thinking about the difference between migraines that are linked to accidents, etc.. and those like mine which are more linked to heredity, organic causes. My thoughts for you is that your migraines are caused by damage done to maybe the trigeminal nerve. That is why you have no specific environmental or hormonal triggers or family history but still ended up with migraines. I wonder how many other people whose migraines started due to an accident or trauma also have no family history and no known environmental triggers. Just thinking out loud. L

Ah, gotcha Leslie. Yes, I never had the constant pain like I have now before that extraction.

I was getting hormonal migraines thought. They started once a month, but by the time I had the tooth out, I was in peri menopause and they were more frequent.

However I can see your point. I have never had anyone in the profession suggest trauma. Although there was a thought here that forceps delivery...which I was, is often prevalent in migraine people..

Was there a problem with the wisdom tooth extraction? I think there is a link between trauma to the trigeminal nerve (or other nerves) and wisdom tooth extraction and migraines. Have you mentioned to your docs about the link between your pain started and the tooth removal?

Oh yes Leslie, I was warned by the tooth fairy (consultant) that I might have "nerve pain" for the rest of my life and there was little anyone could do.

Yes, thee was a problem. It was infected, root filling botched and had to wait through the Christmas and millennium holiday to get it pulled..

Been goofing off today and spending too much time searching the net but did find this little blurb from someone on a message board who was asking about headaches after wisdom teeth were removed:

A possible explanation that a neurosurgeon suggested to me is that my trigeminal nerve was damaged following the extraction. This is constantly sending pain signals and causing the trigeminal nucleus in my head to be hyperactive."

Makes sense Leslie, is there anything we can do about it...

I don't think the is any difference between M caused by injury or the usual ones. I have trigemnial neuralgia which I think was caused mostly from the T nerve being over stimulated from years of chronic migraine. I have type 2 bilateral on all three branches.

Whenthe TN pain is bad, it triggers migraines and when the Ms are bad, they trigger the TN. So I've come to the conclusion that for me, I can't separate the two.

There is definitely an injury there that triggers M but the pain is no different and the course of the M is no different when it is triggered by TN or by the usual triggers.

I think whatever the initial "cause" is, once the brain chemistry is screwed up, we are stuck.

I am learning about this problem with he brain on the pain management course Alli.

Their take on it so far (only one session), is that the brain remembers things and gets over sensitive and the slightest thing, it just goes "oh yeah we do that" and we are off again. Maybe that is why they say we are so sensitive.

BUT only session one and this is about PAIN, not migraine....

I firmly believe that is the case with Fibro. There are places on my legs and ribs that the smallest stimulation can set off. Anytime I do anything that involves my arms, I pay for it. Either right away, within a few hours, or the next day my rib cage will just ache like crazy and that sharp Cosco pain hits and makes life miserable for hours and hours.

The funny thing is my arms feel fine, it's just all the muscles connected to my arms and shoulders that fire up. Especially my left rib cage. I have to pace my activities so I can keep it down to a dull roar.

I was on jewelry making mode on Saturday and on Sunday, my whole back ached all day. I spent most of the day on a heating pad. But the jewelry came out great. I'm taking pics today and will post them tomorrow. There is one I'm iffy about. I may take it apart and redo it. So when I ask for an opinion, I really want it. I have no problem redoing them til I get what I really like.

My doctor said something to the effect that my body had learned to have migraines. I think if it can be learned then it can be unlearned.

That is quite similar to what we have been told on the pain management course. Session 2 tomorrow. Fingers's crossed I make it.

Just like the well-worn path that our kids made in our backyard from the house to the basketball court our brains also have that well-worn path that leads to migraine. I do believe that the more often we have migraines the more easily our brains will go down that path. Pen - I am very interested to hear what else you learn in your pain management course. How many sessions are there? L

There are 8 Leslie and todays over ran and I am shattered. My head is not happy. Soon as I feel better I shall impart.